This is the real Mk5 Supra :p

"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob) 01/26/2019 at 12:58 • Filed to: None

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The Lotus Evora actually uses a Toyota engine. Supercharged 2GR with a manual transmission (or automatic, your choice). It will be much more reliable and trouble-free than any BMW

Toyota should’ve rebadged the Evora, not the Z4, for their new Supra.

chaozbandit > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 13:01

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Some models of Evora ask for north of $100k CAD, so no thanks.

WilliamsSW > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 13:08

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* MR2

LongbowMkII > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 13:08

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Nah. Though lotus helped tune the mk2 suspension,  which led to Toyota parts showing up in lotus’s bin

dogisbadob > WilliamsSW 01/26/2019 at 13:10

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The Elise/Exige is the Mr2 :p

The Evora is a little bigger and has the Camry engine. The Elise/Exige is smaller and has  the Corolla/Celica Mr2 engine

WilliamsSW > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 13:12

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I was just kidding abou t engine location. Great point by you though!

way2blu does a rev update > WilliamsSW 01/26/2019 at 13:14

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**MR4

It seats 4 if you’re ambitious enough

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 13:18

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Evora actually isn’t reliable. The engine, yes. But everything else is hot garbage. Ed bolian used to have an exotic car dealership and apparently the batteries died if not on a tender for a week, the paint was iffy, and the interior would shrink badly if left in the sun. Engine was fine though.  

WilliamsSW > way2blu does a rev update 01/26/2019 at 13:26

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MR2. 5 might be more realistic lol

MultiplaOrgasms > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 13:26

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Its an SW20.

way2blu does a rev update > WilliamsSW 01/26/2019 at 13:28

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MR2+2

I’m of a mind to buy a used Evora and add Toyota badges everywhere...

Spanfeller is a twat > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 13:34

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No

WilliamsSW > way2blu does a rev update 01/26/2019 at 13:35

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I like it - it will counter the inevitable troll throwing ///M badges on an A90.

LongbowMkII > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/26/2019 at 14:31

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None of that has anything to do with reliability. 

Faizir > WilliamsSW 01/26/2019 at 15:15

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This this is a car worth d esiring. The new Supra is ugly, destined to be unreliable and not a real Toyota.

Of of course, the E vora is not a Toyota either but it is far cooler than the clumsy looking German / Japanese Frankenstein that Toyota is currently peddling

Taiso0019R > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 15:28

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That’s going to be a nahhhh chief . Besides what everyone mentioned already  ( engine is in the wrong place and wrong format , Lotus not being known for overall reliability, price) the Supra was a GT not a focused mid engine sports car. MR2 successor for sure!

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > LongbowMkII 01/26/2019 at 15:41

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Ah yes because when I go out to my car, I still consider  it reliable if the dash may or may not be split or if the car might have an electrical fault that means it won’t start...

LongbowMkII > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/26/2019 at 16:43

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Someone should invent jumper cables for when batteries go flat. 

Kdsinor > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 17:18

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Toyota should have used a forced induction 2gr from the beginning. That engine has proven itself for the passed 15 years or so as being bulletproof, even surpassing the VQ. It’s sad really. Toyota has such a reputation for designing legendary r eliable engines that most car guys can name at least two or three off the top of their head. It would have been like the culmination of a feel good happy ending movie if they developed an all new engine, in house, that people would talk about like we do with the 2zz, 22re, 1, 2jz, etc. But no. This will be “ remember when Toyota mad e the mistake of...” You can finish the sentence lol

dogisbadob > Kdsinor 01/26/2019 at 18:21

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Yup!!!!!!!!!!!

And Toyota even offered TRD superchargers for their more-mundane engines like the 1ZZ, 1MZ, and even the 2AZ

It should be easy for Toyota to offer the Lotus superchargers for the 2ZZ and 2GR as TRD units.

Veganpotter > Kdsinor 01/26/2019 at 18:31

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Emissions... gotta keep making new, cleaner drive trains.

Veganpotter > LongbowMkII 01/26/2019 at 18:34

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I wouldn’t want to jump my weekend car because I didn’t drive it on a weekday . That’s not a high expectation to have.

ABOFA151 > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 18:35

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Nope. Toyota should rebadge the Evora as the new MR2, but they won't, so I 2GR swapped my own MR2.

LongbowMkII > Veganpotter 01/26/2019 at 19:07

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A week or two isn’t a problem, if it sits for a month then yeah, you’ll need to jump it. 

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 20:24

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Hell, they could have kept the non-supercharged version of the Evora/Evora S, with some Toyota-style front fascia (like GT86 rather than BRZ) and interior bits, and called it MR2. Maybe a Lexus-like all-digital gauge panel.

I’d buy a 300-350hp v6  mid-engined car for Nissan Z sort of money, in a heartbeat.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 20:55

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Time has moved on... AW11 Supercharged, and SW20 Turbo were more powerful than mid-line Toyota sedans of their day.

SW20 was the most successful by being the most useable and appropriate size.. AW11 was small, ZZW30 was small without trunk space, neither had the practical baseline enough to be widely adopted.

SW20 MR2 Turbo and Fiero GT V6 were the most successful and popular mid-engined affordable cars, not by being weakly powered, or too small , but by being appropriately sized and powered, and priced.

An Evora V6 2+0 or 2+2 with added toyota-reliability and build quality, and affordable pricing, like say, directly competitive with 370Z.. could be that car again, and sell in numbers that could theoretically justify federalization, and manufacturing economies of scale.

It would be a better handling and more powerful car than GT86.

It would be a better handling, and more affordable car than A90 BMW-Supra.

It already uses Toyota drivetrain and parts , rather than Subaru or BMW engines. With a bit of development, the powertrain could be quite similarly assembled to all other 2GR-powered Toyotas...

It could also be incorporated with the PHEV hybrid system, such as the RAV 4's electric driven  rear axle being used on the front of the Evora, with a turbo I4 driving the rear wheels, like an affordable alternative to BMW i8.

Demon > dogisbadob 01/26/2019 at 22:08

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L.O.T.U.S=lots of trouble, usually serious

Bad idea if you ask me. On top of that the supra needs to stay what it is before its ruined.

dogisbadob > Demon 01/26/2019 at 22:15

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It’s Toyota where it counts, though :o)

bhtooefr > Kdsinor 01/27/2019 at 13:28

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Or use the V35A-FTS. 3.5 liters, already turbocharged, 415 hp, 440 lb-ft, and from the new engine family.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > dogisbadob 01/27/2019 at 14:54

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N o, the battery and wiring   are still British.

ABOFA151 > Kdsinor 01/27/2019 at 16:52

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Toyota does have a Supercharged 2GR. It’s called the 2GR-FZE, and was available in the TRD Aurion (Australia's Camry)

Nauraushaun > dogisbadob 01/27/2019 at 17:36

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Why bother? Just buy an Evora!

Unfortunately I think the Evora is a bit of a mess design-wise for me, something about the section rear of the door.

But the new Supra is hideous.

So... :(

But nah I’m not sure this would be a great Supra. Lightness was never the Supra’s thing, and it probably should have a turbo’d I6. It’s great in its own right though, the Evora - it doesn’t need a Supra badge for that.

BadMotorScooter > dogisbadob 01/27/2019 at 19:06

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Lotus fits Edelbrock supercharger s, with Lotus custom ECU tuning. And this setup in the Evora sounds ridiculously good too. The weak spot on the Evora is the manual trans and clutch, not the engine. The Evora 400 is tuned for 400hp primarily because that’s all the trans can handle. The engine could be tuned for 500hp pretty easily. Imagine a reliable, Toyota tuned supercharged V6 with 500hp that sounds like racecar, mated to a solid Toyota 6-speed manual trans. THAT would make a great modern Supra, I6 be damned.

Gerry197 > dogisbadob 01/27/2019 at 23:48

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Well, the official 2020 Supra is essentially a BMW Z4 coupe, 100% mechanically a BMW in every conceiv able way. Built in Austria under contract right next to the BMW Z4. They didn’t even bother to change the interior except for the steering wheel.

The Lotus actually has a Toyota engine in it. However, it’s wrapped in a Lotus, so.....

I would buy the Z4, it has 45 more hp while having the same engine and at the same price as the Supra.  Plus you don’t have to defend yourself for buying a Supra by name only.   

RodriguezRacer456 > dogisbadob 01/28/2019 at 08:30

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So you don’t like the new Supra because it’s mostly BMW, yet consider the Evora to be the real Supra....

E ven though its a mid-engined lightweight sports car (which the Supra never was in any generation) and the engine, while made by Toyota, is a V6 taken from the Camry.

Even with a Toyota heart, everything else is made by Lotus. So if you consider the so-called “BMW Supra” to not be a real Supra, the Lotus Supra would be even less.

You'd make much more sense if you were to say Toyota should rebadge the Evora as an MR2.

dogisbadob > RodriguezRacer456 01/28/2019 at 11:04

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The Mr2 is more like the Elise/Exige

And what is wrong with using a Camry V6? That 2GR is a good engine.

Also, the new one will have a 4-cylinder option that the Supra never had before.